SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=06dd4624-776e-440d-811a-79584a 511f2f

Obama 50
Clinton 45

It is tighetning, but seems like Obama in NC
25% early vote: Obama +16



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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

If SUSA's correct that 25% of the primary electorate has already voted, then they are predicting that there will be nearly 2 million voters.


by blueflorida on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:17:35 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

SUSA includes 32% AA share of electorate, vs. 35 in several other polls and 40% in actual early voting.  That said they also seem to lowball % of women share (52%).  


by Kensingtonbill on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:17:43 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

The 40% in early voting isn't going to stick, and all the major outfits have stated that. With that being said, I think it may be around 35%, but we'll see if his denounciation of Wright affects that at all.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:20:30 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

Gender divide is not as strong in heavily African American states. The gender divide is among white voters.


by elrod on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (1.00 / 1)

Wonder if a Rezko verdict would effect 5 pts?


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:17:55 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

I think everyone knows Rezko is guilty - that's not the issue in this mini-scandal.


by Falsehood on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:21:51 PM EST
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no breathing room (none / 0)

I love the quote in the article:

"On the eve of the North Carolina Democratic Primary, with 25% of votes already cast, Barack Obama has no breathing room in his hope to defeat Hillary Clinton in popular votes."

This one may be a squeaker come tomorrow night. And the worst thing to happen to Obama tomorrow evening is having the talking heads spin Hillary's double digit win in Indiana while they all wait for the votes to be tallied in North Carolina.

Should be interesting.


by njsketch on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:21:14 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 0)

heh, it amuses me that you think "hate" is a one way street between these two camps.


by Slim Tyranny on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:21:17 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 0)

On the one hand, you talk about visceral hate by Obama supporters; on the other, you say that Hillary supporters do not hate Obama.  Margins don't really seem to factor into that determination.


by Slim Tyranny on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:30:25 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

Single digit win for Obama in NC and he is in big trouble.


by Scope441 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:23:44 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 0)

With the electorate fairly tied and no one coming out ahead in delegates from this spate, and with Obama ahead by close to 140 total delegates, how would you define "big trouble?"


by mady on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:26:31 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

Superdelegates who have not yet voted changing their minds.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:49:41 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

And a lot more money and ahead in the national polls. Clinton will still be behind in every metric if the tie both states.


by Becky G on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:09:48 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Of course she will claim some victory from closing the gap, just as Obama did. I don't think the media treated it as a win though - they would have had be come within 5.

Also, as an Obama supporter, I don't hate Hillary, though I deplore some of her tactics (and haven't always loved Obama's) Also, I believe exit polls have shown that her voters are less like to vote for him then the other way around.

I also resent your implications that youth makes me more likely to hate. I don't think Hillaryis44 is run by a bunch of 20 year olds.


by Falsehood on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:24:31 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 1)

I'd also say that racist hatred is far more likely the territory of older people --- hillaryis44 has some nice examples of racism (grumpy old people complaining that Obama will have the state of the union in "rap", etc.).


by Slim Tyranny on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:31:36 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (1.66 / 3)

Thank you, Luving.  And Hillaryis44 is in any way as influential as Kos or Huffington?


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:43:00 PM EST
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hahahaha I just saw this. Awesome response (none / 0)


by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:55:20 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 1)

A win is a win, but still, I would have credited if Obama would have lost PA by 6-7 and same should apply to C in NC


by American1989 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:29:15 PM EST

Undecideds/Other (none / 0)

There's 5% Undecided/Other, 80% of it White.

Give BO the 1% AA undecided and the other 4 poitns probably break 3:1 for HRC.

Final tally:  O 52 H 48

We can hope, anyway.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:30:35 PM EST

Re: Undecideds/Other (none / 0)

Actually it is 3% other, and 2% undecided. I imagine that a small number will still vote for Edwards, but maybe not.  


by DPW on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:52:33 PM EST
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Re: Undecideds/Other (none / 0)

I dont' think Edwards is actually on the ballot.  So those people saying "Other" now are probably nostalgic Edwards voters who will likely vote for Clinton when they get to the voting booth.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:10:19 PM EST
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Re: Undecideds/Other (none / 0)

It appears you are correct, but Gravel is still on the ballot. Maybe a few of these folks are supporting Mikey.

http://www.newsobserver.com/print/wednes day/city_state/story/926675.html

Still, those who say other are probably the least likely to turn out tomorrow. And, it's not clear whether they will naturally flock to Clinton. It's just impossible to know.


by DPW on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:37:37 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

it is very hard to predict mix of blacks and women in NC voting.
If undecided will split 2-1 in Hillary's favor,  It can be very small victory for Obama, like C47-O52 or C48-O51.
However if Hillary's supporters will come in larger numbers (SUSA said women will be 52% but in PA it was much more) and undecided will outperform 2-1 ratio, she can pull a tie or very small upset!

in any case 5 points diff in NC is a huge win for Hillary, she was 20 points behind just a few weeks ago.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:31:18 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

So you think Pennsylvania was a moral victory for Obama. Hmmm interesting, hadn't looked at it htat way so far, but interesting indeed.


by hebi on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:33:21 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

Can you believe we are sitting here the night before the election looking at a 5 point difference in North Carolina???  Something is up!  Big time.   Obama should be worried.


by karajan72 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:41:17 PM EST

Only 32% African-American? (none / 0)

Seems a little low to me.

SUSA polls have been lowballing the African-American vote in all the Southern States.


by puma on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:43:54 PM EST

They've been good post-Super Tuesday (none / 0)

They projected 39% in Maryland, actual was 37%
They projected 29% in Virginia, actual was 30%
They projected 17% in Texas, actual ws 19%
99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:21:43 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

She was never really down 20-25 points. Of the past 40 polls in NC, only 4 polls showing a margin greater than 20. And Hillary actually lead by 24 in NC back in November, according to one poll. Go to real clear politics and look at all the the polls since Feb/Mar and you'll see that the margin has consistently fallen in the range of 5 to 15 points, with the exception of a few polls by PPP and one by Rasmussen.


by DPW on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:44:06 PM EST

How to get PPP result from SUSA (none / 0)

By changing the ``AA'' voting percentage number to 35 in SUSA poll, you would get roughly like 52-43. So these polls are very similar.


by ann0nymous on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:44:32 PM EST

Obama at 50% (none / 0)

means he will win.  Also only 32% African-Americans in their poll when the early voting was 40% means Obama will win.

Obama will probably win North Carolina 5-10%.


by puma on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:46:17 PM EST

Re: Obama at 50% (none / 0)

5%-10% in a state where he captures 90% plus of a black vote that is about a third of the electorate is a total disaster. It hasn't happened yet so we should wait and see what really happens but if this is the outcome and she wins in Indiana. He's a serious liability in the fall.  


by ottovbvs on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:06:18 PM EST
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Any win in NC (2.00 / 0)

Seals the deal. Just do the math.


by parahammer on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:53:31 PM EST

Seals what deal? Limping? (none / 0)

It's like the football team that's 12-0 and then loses its star quarterback, wide receiver, and running back.  Sure, they can run out the clock and win the division, but can they win the playoffs/super bowl?  

See, that's what this is really all about.  Obama fans keep quoting "math".  Realists look at strength v. McCain.  The question, then, is what will super delegates look at if Obama can't win primaries going down the stretch?  If they stick with him when all signs are pointing to his damaged candidacy, Democrats deserve what they get in the fall.  

If he wins both Indiana and NC, I'll be the first to say congrats, and be reassured (slightly) he can do well in the fall.  If he loses Indiana and barely squeaks by in NC, that's a problem.  If he loses both, look out!  At that point, I don't give a damn about math.  I only care about reality.


by DaTruth on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:40:08 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Wow. After Pa when Obama supporters pointed out how impressive that Obama had cut HRC's lead by half all I read on here was that we were spinning a loss. I don't know about you but that was the majority of posts from HRC supporters. If you think it's true for NC then the same is true for PA.


by Becky G on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:05:53 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

None of that matters anymore.  Obama's going to have a very short walk to a pledged delegate lead after Tuesday night.


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:09:51 PM EST
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Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

If Obama only wins NC by 5% and captures 90% plus of the black vote it's actually a huge defeat. If she also wins in Indiana it confirms the unelectable label. This is all speculation but if it turns out like this well there has to be some self questioning.    


by ottovbvs on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:02:59 PM EST

Re: SUSA NC POLL: 50 Obama 45 Clinton (none / 0)

I have a prediction for you tomorrow;

North Carolina
Hillary = 57
Obama = 43

Indiana
Hillary 58
Obama 42


by SHIBAM8P on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:52:01 PM EST


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